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Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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Bill Kline
We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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The hidden risk is within access (w/r/t entry) and nonuniform standards when a wood shop is within hallway or adjacent via doorway to metal shop...
Example, person enters wood shop, with shorts then forgets they have to buff or grind a metal hinge for their cabinet door... takes a quick walk into metal shop to grind down part of a hinge to make it flush or some other small job.. at that instant then they are exposed to metal shop risks with shorts.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 6:20 PM Bill Kline < klinewa@...> wrote: We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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We require closed toe shoes, long pants, and safety glasses in our shops in keeping with the university's overall lab policy. Our wood shop is in close proximity to or metal working and grinding/sculpture areas so it would be difficult to avoid walking near someone doing metal work or carving with a grinder during a busy sculpture day.
In practice the long pants rule gets students to consider their work clothing (they often chose more practical durable clothes that can get dirty) and many keep pants and shoes in the lockers we provide under the shop tables. It also has a side benefit of reducing students wearing very revealing clothing in the shops which can be a distraction hazard to others.
Andrew Hedges
Laboratory & Facilities Manager
Santa Clara University Department of Art & Art History 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053-0264 (408) 554-6886
The hidden risk is within access (w/r/t entry) and nonuniform standards when a wood shop is within hallway or adjacent via doorway to metal shop...
Example, person enters wood shop, with shorts then forgets they have to buff or grind a metal hinge for their cabinet door... takes a quick walk into metal shop to grind down part of a hinge to make it flush or some other small job.. at that instant then they are exposed to metal shop risks with shorts.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 6:20 PM Bill Kline < klinewa@...> wrote: We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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That makes total sense,
Thanks for a further explanation Andrew, Bill, and Brandon, our metal and wood are directly next to each other (although separate rooms entirely) which would make sense as to what you have all explained. My policy following this request has been that students use lockers to store any attire they want to keep so they can use the shop when they need to.
I appreciate it everyone!
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:54 AM Andrew Hedges < ahedges@...> wrote: We require closed toe shoes, long pants, and safety glasses in our shops in keeping with the university's overall lab policy. Our wood shop is in close proximity to or metal working and grinding/sculpture areas so it would be difficult to avoid walking near someone doing metal work or carving with a grinder during a busy sculpture day.
In practice the long pants rule gets students to consider their work clothing (they often chose more practical durable clothes that can get dirty) and many keep pants and shoes in the lockers we provide under the shop tables. It also has a side benefit of reducing students wearing very revealing clothing in the shops which can be a distraction hazard to others.
Andrew Hedges
Laboratory & Facilities Manager
Santa Clara University Department of Art & Art History 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053-0264 (408) 554-6886
The hidden risk is within access (w/r/t entry) and nonuniform standards when a wood shop is within hallway or adjacent via doorway to metal shop...
Example, person enters wood shop, with shorts then forgets they have to buff or grind a metal hinge for their cabinet door... takes a quick walk into metal shop to grind down part of a hinge to make it flush or some other small job.. at that instant then they are exposed to metal shop risks with shorts.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 6:20 PM Bill Kline < klinewa@...> wrote: We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
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Molly Sanford
Please note the long history of dress code discrimination and victim-blaming when citing "distracting" attire. This article does a good job of exploring the issue.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:54 AM Andrew Hedges < ahedges@...> wrote: We require closed toe shoes, long pants, and safety glasses in our shops in keeping with the university's overall lab policy. Our wood shop is in close proximity to or metal working and grinding/sculpture areas so it would be difficult to avoid walking near someone doing metal work or carving with a grinder during a busy sculpture day.
In practice the long pants rule gets students to consider their work clothing (they often chose more practical durable clothes that can get dirty) and many keep pants and shoes in the lockers we provide under the shop tables. It also has a side benefit of reducing students wearing very revealing clothing in the shops which can be a distraction hazard to others.
Andrew Hedges
Laboratory & Facilities Manager
Santa Clara University Department of Art & Art History 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053-0264 (408) 554-6886
The hidden risk is within access (w/r/t entry) and nonuniform standards when a wood shop is within hallway or adjacent via doorway to metal shop...
Example, person enters wood shop, with shorts then forgets they have to buff or grind a metal hinge for their cabinet door... takes a quick walk into metal shop to grind down part of a hinge to make it flush or some other small job.. at that instant then they are exposed to metal shop risks with shorts.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 6:20 PM Bill Kline < klinewa@...> wrote: We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
-- Molly SanfordArt Research Technician
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Thank you Molly, please forgive my insensitive comment. Andrew Hedges
Laboratory & Facilities Manager
Santa Clara University Department of Art & Art History 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053-0264 (408) 554-6886
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:30 PM Molly Sanford < mws@...> wrote: Please note the long history of dress code discrimination and victim-blaming when citing "distracting" attire. This article does a good job of exploring the issue.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:54 AM Andrew Hedges < ahedges@...> wrote: We require closed toe shoes, long pants, and safety glasses in our shops in keeping with the university's overall lab policy. Our wood shop is in close proximity to or metal working and grinding/sculpture areas so it would be difficult to avoid walking near someone doing metal work or carving with a grinder during a busy sculpture day.
In practice the long pants rule gets students to consider their work clothing (they often chose more practical durable clothes that can get dirty) and many keep pants and shoes in the lockers we provide under the shop tables. It also has a side benefit of reducing students wearing very revealing clothing in the shops which can be a distraction hazard to others.
Andrew Hedges
Laboratory & Facilities Manager
Santa Clara University Department of Art & Art History 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053-0264 (408) 554-6886
The hidden risk is within access (w/r/t entry) and nonuniform standards when a wood shop is within hallway or adjacent via doorway to metal shop...
Example, person enters wood shop, with shorts then forgets they have to buff or grind a metal hinge for their cabinet door... takes a quick walk into metal shop to grind down part of a hinge to make it flush or some other small job.. at that instant then they are exposed to metal shop risks with shorts.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 6:20 PM Bill Kline < klinewa@...> wrote: We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote: Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection from potential abrasions?
Best Tim Kopra Sculpture Technician Mills College (707)225-7616
-- Molly SanfordArt Research Technician
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Eric Pulse
My rule of thumb/ guidelines here are basically this: If you wouldn't wear it to change your oil in a dirt parking lot, don't wear it in the shop. Also, don't leave any skin exposed that you don't want chips, oils, sparks etc to enter.
We do require closed toed shoes, long pants and Safety glasses in the shops and restrict those around any rotating machinery to wear clothing that is not loose. Specifically long sleeves that hang down at all. During the Summer I do allow shorts in the shops
unless the student is causing or around grinding sparks, flames, plasma cutters, etc. We don't have the volume of student use then that the adjacency issues from going from one area to another isn't really a problem. In my teaching lab, which has solely manual
lathes and Enclosed Haas Minimills, I am fairly lenient on the shorts restriction since there really isn't much that can do damage below the belt line.
This topic really doesn't have a strict definitive answer, but I'm glad it's being discussed. I know that if I mentioned it at Yale, the whole day of conversing would disappear!
Eric Pulse
Mustang '60 Machine Shop Manager
ME Department/ College of Engineering
Cal Poly SLO
805-756-5634 - Office
805-756-1137 - Fax
shops.calpoly.edu
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That makes total sense,
Thanks for a further explanation Andrew, Bill, and Brandon, our metal and wood are directly next to each other (although separate rooms entirely) which would make sense as to what you have all explained. My policy following this request has been that students
use lockers to store any attire they want to keep so they can use the shop when they need to.
I appreciate it everyone!
Best
Tim Kopra
Sculpture Technician
Mills College
(707)225-7616
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:54 AM Andrew Hedges < ahedges@...> wrote:
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We require closed toe shoes, long pants, and safety glasses in our shops in keeping with the university's overall lab policy. Our wood shop is in close proximity to or metal working and grinding/sculpture areas so it would be difficult to avoid
walking near someone doing metal work or carving with a grinder during a busy sculpture day.
In practice the long pants rule gets students to consider their work clothing (they often chose more practical durable clothes that can get dirty) and many keep pants and shoes in the lockers we provide under the shop tables. It also has a side benefit
of reducing students wearing very revealing clothing in the shops which can be a distraction hazard to others.
Andrew Hedges
Laboratory & Facilities Manager
Santa Clara University
Department of Art & Art History
500 El Camino Real
Santa Clara, CA 95053-0264
(408) 554-6886
The hidden risk is within access (w/r/t entry) and nonuniform standards when a wood shop is within hallway or adjacent via doorway to metal shop...
Example, person enters wood shop, with shorts then forgets they have to buff or grind a metal hinge for their cabinet door... takes a quick walk into metal shop to grind down part of a hinge to make it flush or some other small job.. at that
instant then they are exposed to metal shop risks with shorts.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 6:20 PM Bill Kline < klinewa@...> wrote:
We have a policy of safety glasses, closed shoes, and pants in 'work areas' where work areas are shops or areas defined by yellow tape lines on the floor. The origin may be a risk concern about abrasions, spills, cuts, etc. It takes a little work to
enforce it but some students have adapted by wearing shorts into the building and then putting on coveralls or sweat pants while working.
Bill Kline
Rose-Hulman
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:03 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote:
Thank you,
Seemed like a silly question, but I thought perhaps someone else knew of a reason why that would be in place.
Thanks!!
Tim Kopra
Sculpture Technician
Mills College
(707)225-7616
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:36 PM Justin Kindelspire < kinde035@...> wrote:
Hi Tim,
We allow shorts in our spaces except for the metal shop. The main reasons we have for requiring pants in the metal shop are sparks form grinding and welding. Abrasions are a small worry for us. After all, we allow short sleeved shirts.
Cheers,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:23 PM Tim Kopra < Tkopra@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I have faculty requesting about students wearing shorts in our woodshop. I have no problem with this, for years I have worn shorts while working in woodshops and doing carpentry, and I cannot
see anything other than some kind of larger insurance request making the requirement of pants necessary.
Currently we require students to wear long pants for woodshop use. This has been something I have upheld simply by request from the school. Do any of you have similar rules in place? Is there a practical reason for pants over shorts, other than protection
from potential abrasions?
Best
Tim Kopra
Sculpture Technician
Mills College
(707)225-7616
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